I any case, I don't think I've ever seen anyone point to anything in the edit that made Jay seem. You almost never hear anyone mention her favourably, but she seemed a nice girl to me. You have to pick up small clues to see what someone is like outside their 'story' and I don't think my attenna was particularly well tuned. I think the truth may be somewhere between the two. with the hope of turning them around and creating a 'journey' in the way Alex Reid did. I can only suggest that by that time - it was either in or just before the final week - they no longer saw any mileage in trying to pretend it was a genuine competition and were willing to kick Jay and Louise to the kerb. However they pushed it too much, gave her too much info from the outside, and she ended up believing her own hype. He certainly seemed to have more fans than haters at that point and it would be very easy to edit him as the "loveable" Geordie who "wears his heart on his sleeve" blah blah blah. You say it "seemed like team Aaron and team Jay facing off". Both Aaron and Luke seemed knocked off balance by the fact that they were promised media work, but that seems to be the way agents are: they promise stuff as a done deal that is only an idea. Aaron's answers to these questions has always remained the same; For a long time he'd only watched the first week and a bit and felt the show was edited fairly and couldn't understand why people felt otherwise but after sitting down and watching the rest after a few weeks he (and Faye) were shocked as they felt the events and HMs were edited very unfairly. Quick Links . I have described above one occasion when he was outrageously badly edited, with two completely different things, both completely unobjectionable, spliced together to make him look really sordid and unpleasant. Was Sam promised anything? What do you think showed that? Several HMs such as Aden, Harry even Jay himself have said that when evicted they were told in no uncertain terms they were told not to publicly discuss the freezer incident under any circumstances. The forum consensus - or at least Aaron's fans' consensus - was that they didn't show it because they wanted Jay to look good. Quite a lot of the forum felt that way and even shockingly praised her for voicing this. Though I'm sure by the halfway point they would have been happier with her in UBB than moody and unpredictable likes of Ben/JohnJames/Pepper. Do we want another boring winner like last year?" 9 years ago. I didn't like like him in the house but he's a much nicer man 'normally'. I don't remember Rachel's post-BB BBBM. If you look on the Facebook C5 page, it clearly states that Jay had just made them something to eat and despite washing his hands in anti bacterial soap, they still smelled of onions. What would you call that if not an attempt to keep the event secret. I don't know why it would be worse for her to comment on one comment than on his whole relationship, but she was. They removed Heaven's reference to it on the next day re-airing of BOTS. Does anyone know if they're still together? But I don't think she "really had it in for Rachel". The most fundamental thing about the HL shows though is the DR entries. I have to question whether most of the winners had "extremely favourable edits". Yes, certainly towards the end I can remember some pretty hostile stuff being said about them, and people finding their romance unbelievable or revolting or both. Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. It would have given Ch5 their first female (non celeb) winner, and although I wanted Sam to win over her, I will admit she would have been a much more interesting winner. Just to clarify what I meant in my original suggestion is that after gaging the reaction of viewers producers think “ok this housemate is starting to prove popular so let’s continue to build on that”. Which also does not say or imply that there can't be a favourable edit when there's a live feed. I don't think many thought he was the kind of person to do that. Well that's not true. Make of that what you will, You really think she was only referring to that one comment? Listen now for interviews with the biggest soap stars and all the latest spoilers - available on every major podcast app , http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1568681&highlight=jay+louise+scat, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=54141235&postcount=1, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=54241718&postcount=16, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=54243327&postcount=31, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1574228&highlight=jay+louise+smell+fingers. - Aaron talking to camera in the garden, thinking he was inside everybody's heads, Aaron being nasty to Faye, Faye letting him be nasty as long as it kept the camera on her - oh God, it was awful. Not to me! Categories; Recent Discussions; Best Of... Digital Spy Survey – So much is changing, including entertainment, so tell us how our content can help by clicking here. Of … It's possible; but it was Aaron who claimed that a staff member had told him he won by a huge margin. I don't think anyone was interested enough to monitor it closely on his behalf. I remember thinking I wanted to look as arrogant as possible to get boos etc. I don't know why it would baffle you. If BB chose not to show that comedic softer side to him he probably would have just seemed cold and angry the whole time. I'm not talking about pre designated winners (although I do agree Rylan was chosen as the winner before that series even began), but winners who were determined as the series progressed once producers got an idea of who viewers were warming to. Plus, Faye had already beaten Jay, who in turn went on to finish two places higher than Louise. I do think that Aaron's fans (I don't mean you, but in general) are inclined to want to have their cake and eat it re. No amount of positive editing could rescue her at that point, so they were left with the slimy (supposedly) rich guy, or the deaf kid who wanted to donate his winnings to charity. Listen now for interviews with the biggest soap stars and all the latest spoilers - available on every major podcast app , http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1643614&highlight=aaron+faye+twitcam. If the fanbase continues to grow they will only build on it further. I'm bored now with the same stuff about 'negative stories' being suppressed. question. If what she said was in relation to that one comment I'd argue it makes her comment even worse.:o. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Aaron won by a landslide but that doesn't mean that the production couldn't have believed Jay had a chance at beating Aaron before the phone lines opened for the winner vote. So are they still together, got bored reading all the posts, Introducing the Soap Scoop podcast! Hence, for example, the general bafflement when Harry referred to Anton as one of his best friends in the house: clearly no story there so none of it was shown. So conceding only that much about Faye's edit can make it seem she wasn't treated any worse than anyone else, and I'm not sure that's true. The rest I couldn't really care about one way or another. So I don't see how it was simply impossible for the producers to think Jay could beat Aaron in the final. In any case, I'm sceptical of the idea that the producers would put all their eggs in one basket by having a single 'chosen one' from the start. Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. It was obvious in 2012 that Mark himself didn't feel that strongly about it. She seemed self-conscious to me but nothing worse than that. True she did get a fair amount of criticism on twitter but it's never pointed out that she also got an arguably bigger positive response from Aaron detractors and Jay fans etc and she seemed to lap it and retweet it etc. By Holly Thomas Updated: 03:04 EST, 29 September 2011 The idea that Aaron and Rachel won against the efforts of the producers is questionable as well. Yes, they handled it well, especially Maisy, who was very young, and ended up looking a bit jilted. Case in point the surprise from a lot of his followers when he tweeted the photo of his own poop. It's clear though that most of the time the eventual winner of each series always got extremely favourable edits and a lot of support from presenters/spin offs to help them secure the win. I rather suspect that Jay would be amazed at the suggestion that he had seriously threatened Aaron. (By that I mean on the after show, immediately after winning, I'm not talking about when Aaron almost worked on BOTS) those are the only two instances where the shows seemed a bit sour grapey/sneery. Bare in mind that when the incident was first referenced by Heaven a lot of people refused to believe it even after Rebeckah backed her up. Did he turn down the sort of things that tempted Aaron and Luke, or was he never even put to that particular test? He was asked if the show had been fairly edited, and he said yes, he thought so. It obviously was in relation to that one comment. So if we're talking of "winners who were determined as the series progressed once producers got an idea of who viewers were warming to", why would that be Jay rather than Aaron? The management and producers are such an arse when it comes down to editing, all they care about is making money, creating storylines and getting good ratings so more advertising revenue is pumped in. One example is Nicola McLean's comment about Aaron's "Are you going to the party like that?" It seems that after Maisy's credible confirmation further evictees were told to not discuss it. Oh excuse me for going to such "dubious lengths". If you’d like to join in, please sign in or register. However I don't see why you're so shut off to the idea Big Brother may have (also) had an eye on trying to make a brand out of one of the HMs. Hmmmmm I don't know who I think was the preferred winner in BB9 but Rachel and Aaron did have a similar sort of petulant child welcome on BOTS, it was clear they weren't as celebrated winners. I doubt they care who wins at all most of the time as they can just edit the story to make it a nice rounded off ending. Suffice to say, if you are right, that Aaron was a winner by a huge margin despite being sabotaged by the produceers - I wonder why he came out to boos and had the most embarassing win of all time? It was the following week when Becki arrived that Nadia emerged as the main front runner. Well the Faye v Louise eviction was only a week before the final and that just seemed like team Aaron and team Jay facing off, and team Jay won. It might not be true of course, but there is no particular reason to suppose he lied. Everyone thought Gareth was an amazing winner contender in CBB9 because he was easy to talk to and 'fun' is a straightforward way, but those sorts of meandering conversations can't fit in an edited show. Good Lord, Farscape - I'm certainly not going to re hash old stuff that has been written about at the time of the event in question!! The poo in the freezer story was briefly suppressed, but only in the sense of not being shown; obviously there was no question of keeping it secret since any evictee was free to discuss it. If you’d like to join in, please sign in or register. They showed it, and she commented on it. DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. Registered in England.
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