Always looking for and buying 50's era 11th Airborne/ 187th ARCT/ 82nd Airborne tac mark painted jump helmets! It is rich with information. US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY There is a dating chart in one of the M1 helmet books....some people dont believe in it and it is not a completely perfect way to date the helmet but it works for some...yours with a heat stamp of 227A comes up July 1942.......mike. The Wisconsin Shoreline & Marsaxlokk, Malta, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. After many conversations, he took the reigns and decided to do some research. 02-23-2014, 11:18 AM #2. ruddersrangers44? We cannot devalue or mark overseas packages as gifts. Does anybody know who has the 10A helmet? Schlueter produced 2,000,000 steel shells during WWII and I feel as though I have looked at every single one the past few days. Using them in auction descriptions to squeeze a better ending price. Great reference! Thanks. Hello, first time contributor long time member. Can they effectively date a helmet? Our helmets are NOT certified by the D.O.T., or any other regulatory agency that authorizes headgear for use as safety equipment or crash helmets. Picking up on this trend I started a dialogue with my friend Marc. Regards, Lance Double click on photo to enlarge. Out of the 4 Schlueter shells I have, only one has the straps. Out of the 4 Schlueter shells I have, only one has the straps. I have recently purchased a fixed bail Helmet with a frog skin cover and as I was entering it into my Excel data base I noticed the heat stamp number of 09A S clearly stamped on the inside rim where it should be. I did however refinish at least one, and I believe the other has a Korean era dark OD with sand texture. "There is no such thing as an expert, only students with different levels of education.". So much importance & significance has been placed on the alpha numeric code in the brim of the m1 helmet. "A small die is mounted in the No. Closed Saturday & Sunday. Michael Hartsook, Picked up a m1, rear seam swival bail, 2 panel corpsman helmet., heat stamp 113c, cant find it anywhere. The heat stamp is 227A I think - what would be the aprox date of manufacture? Thanks. Scott (Bugme). This was likely a transitional period for Schlueter, using up old stock while introducing the new. I have recently purchased a fixed bail Helmet with a frog skin cover and as I was entering it into my Excel data base I noticed the heat stamp number of 09A S clearly stamped on the inside rim where it should be. April 14, 2010 in STEEL AND KEVLAR HELMETS. This chart is approximate only but, it will get you within a few months time of manufacture. Top pic … Nevertheless I began to notice this trend in the helmet community of cataloging heat numbers. My account is in honor of my late great, Grandfather SSGT Joseph M Gill WW2 - Korea Veteran. And # 387A: manganese rim, front seam, swivel bail. Grant G., We miss you every day. I am pinning it as a reference but, all should be aware that it is not a perfect chart. If I was unable to tell whether the straps were OD#3 or just really faded OD#7 it didn't get included. Sep 21, 2020 Picked up a m1, rear seam swival bail, 2 panel corpsman helmet., heat stamp 113c, cant find it anywhere. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Greetings all, Below are two helmets' heat stamp numbers. Maybe it is the sheer number of helmets I've had pass through my hands, but I don't place a great amount of importance on these codes. I will check my other shells and post a few pictures later tonight or tomorrow. I'd love to see that one, Who had the 10A? Powered by Invision Community. A good portion of his research was published in Military Collector & Historian. If a configuration seemed suspect, I would not add it without seeing photos. Sign up for a new account in our community. Shop Hours: Monday-Friday 9am to 5pm CST. By While the chart produced in Helmets Of The ETO by forum members and authors Regis Giard(Hill 84) and Frederic Blais(tweedie) is a great reference, it is not 100% accurate but, is close enough to get you within a 3 to 6 month range of production for the most part. Give this info, it will help us to give a more accurate date. Using them to discredit a helmet. I also have other Schlueter shells, but none with straps. Is there a way to break the code? Thanks to Bugme for pinning this topic! I found his helmet through worthpoint.com, however the photo of the lot number was no longer available, so I ended up messaging him to see if he still had it on file. To everyone, post the Lot number and include the Schlueter "S" in your photo's. Grrrrr! Below, in the attached images, are my findings regarding Schlueter produced helmets, their lot numbers, loop variation, seam placement, rim construction, and chinstrap configuration. Thanks for the information, much appreciated. I am excited to find that according to the information here within it may be among the earliest ones made. There is a dating chart based on the heat stamp number used by McCord found in the book: Helmets Of The ETO by Regis Giard and Frederic Blais. http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/army-wwii-m1-helmet-fixed-bail-469679387. Many custom's offices check our website to assess duties. By #s 408A: manganese rim, front seam, swivel bail. And a # 375A which matches the chart. Thanks for your dedication to getting the facts Marc! Okay, it's front seam, OD3 straps, fixed bail. All international shipments are subject to customs inspection and duties by your countries tax authority. Sep 15, 2020 Keith Spellman. Each Schlueter lot number corresponds to a single heat from Sharon Steel. M1 Heat Stamp dating for two helmets. Sign up for a new account in our community. This chart is by no means set in stone; it is definitely possible that their are helmets out there that would alter transition dates, however I can assure you that the helmets below were included with much scrutiny. Anyone else have any variations from the above chart? We would have extensive discussions about "numbers and letters", so to speak. Here we go. The top one is a front seamed helmet and the bottom one is rear seamed. So it most likely wasn't an even distribution of helmets per lot; the 1944 lots were probably much larger. Or the mods will point to where you can find this info for yourself... Hi - sorry, I did look through previous posts but must have missed the one/s you're referring to. I encourage you to read the article. Always looking for and buying 50's era 11th Airborne/ 187th ARCT/ 82nd Airborne tac mark painted jump helmets! 2 1/2 press which stamps the Motor Wheel initials and the lot number, and also forms a small indentation at the edge of the blank to be used as a visual locator for the stamped area when the blanks are positioned in the draw die. It is lot 323A, which has OD#3 straps, flat steel buckles, and LOOKS to be a stainless rim (is it possible to have different rims within a lot?). You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. I have collected US militaria for over 30 years and for most of those years have put helmets on the top of my list of collectible items. That one belonged to an eBay seller by the name man_of_java. If anyone would like the chart in Microsoft Excel format feel free to email me at Circa1941@gmail.com and I will gladly send you over a file so you can update it as you wish. We knew a little. I have filled in with red text the common dates attributed to characteristic changes such as, the transition from front to rear seam, fixed loops to swivel loops, etc. Thanks for taking the time to pull that together. Here are a few photos of my Schlueter 323A shell. J. Murray Inc. 1944 offers helmets for collecting and historic display purposes only. December 23, 2014 in STEEL AND KEVLAR HELMETS, ADMIN NOTE: after discussing this with Grant, he has informed me that the chart is still a work in progress. I made no assumptions regarding lot numbers, if it was not perfectly clear it did not get added. When were they stamped into the helmet? It is lot 323A, which has OD#3 straps, flat steel buckles, and LOOKS to be a stainless rim (is it possible to have different rims within a lot?). As for lot 199A, this lot precedes December 1943 due to its participation in a metallurgical examination that took place at that time. Can you estimate the date of production. It has been stated several other messages in this board the heat stamp cannot be used as date indication. If you also need a picture of the lot # I could try. That being said, if you have a helmet that meets the criteria and is not already on the chart, please by all means post your findings. I have helmet 387A and it is front seam, not rear, There Are No Atheists in Foxholes -Anonymous. It was during the First World War that the need for a modern combat helmet was first recognised. Great reference! That said, yes, your helmet looks to have been made in the summer of 42. Thank you to everyone for your contributions in making this chart possible and happy holidays! Andrew, there are a couple other examples around the 320 mark in which both manganese and stainless steel was used as rim material within the same lot number. Who had the 10A? Re: M1 Helmet Stamp identification it would be of some help if it all works out this is the forum where they are gathering some of the info U.S. Militaria Forum -> HELMETS & PROTECTIVE GEAR 12-09-2009, 07:38 PM #8 I'd love to see that one. At the foundry or pressing plant? Why are they there? Thankfully he did! Jan 15, 2019 Many view this chart as an unreliable/false source, but the heat stamp chart in the book Helmets of the ETO puts your number to around middle 1942. Thank you, for your assistance. I believe I have a McCord front seam, stainless steel rim, swivel loop with a heat stamp of 183B, but I discovered a set of stamped numbers 9627 on the rim near the swivel; any idea what that means please? I believe I have a McCord front seam, stainless steel rim, swivel loop with a heat stamp of 183B, but I discovered a set of stamped numbers 9627 on the rim near the swivel; any idea what that means please? You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Ok, I hope the mods can post more accurate info like the messages where this info shows. Or the worst, grinding away the paint in a helmet to make them clearly visible. For those who have examples not detailed on the chart, please send me photos! By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. After awhile it grew into a great interest for him. To keep the thread clean please do not post duplicates. The US M1 helmet is perhaps one of the most iconic items of military equipment, made famous not only in period photographs from the Second World War and Vietnam, but also from numerous war films such as the D-Day epic, The Longest Day, or Audie Murphy’s story, To Hell and Back. Nice job. Using them to date a helmet. Hi, Share this post. "There is no such thing as an expert, only students with different levels of education.". Keep up the great forum it has provided me a wealth of information regarding a number of topics.
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